Friday, December 17, 2004

Too Hot on the Hot Stove

I went to bed and Randy Johnson was pretty much a Yankee. I woke up, and now not so much. At first, when the three-way dance seemed all but certain, I was squarely in the corner of those against the deal. But then I took Miles' advice to Joel Goodson: Every now and then say, "What the fuck?"

So who cares if we're giving up a pretty good pitcher who had a down year under Do-Nothing Melly Stotts in New York, who cares if we're giving up two of our top prospects, who cares if our payroll jumps above $200 million...we're bringing in the most dominant lefty since Sanford Jewfax, and that's gotta count for something.

For the record, though, I don't want to give up on Javy by any stretch of the imagination. And I don't think it's a good idea to trade a catcher (D. Navarro) and a third baseman (Duncan) that most people think have something special, especially when the former used to be the kickass guitarist for Jane's Addiction. You need good rock and Carmen Electra in that fuckin' clubhouse.

But my objection to this deal was overruled. I then said I strenuously object, which was noted, but all that did was start a fight with my co-counsel. So now I'm just resigned to saying I understand this is the way my team operates and I have to like it...I'll just get on board and root for the Large Unit if the trade ever gets done. Can't fight City Hall. Can't fight Anthony Michael Hall either, guy's got a good left hook.

Now let's finish this off like an Asian massage and then let's go get 'Los Beltran and Delgado. I always wanted to see what it's like to really have an All-Star at every position...even if it costs Big Stein most of his revenue. Now get the hell out of my office.


At 10:28 AM, Blogger ethan said...

oh, i hate this deal. fucking despise it. they are not getting nearly enough in return. navarro is 3 years away from taking jorge's job full time (after they pull the girardi-posada understudy thing). and while duncan has no where to play since a-rod is entrenched until the 2010's, you have to get more than a 41 year old who is going to cost $17 mil and be retired in 2 years. javy has one bad year and everyone quits on him. i've been on this guys bandwagon since 2001 and i ain't gettin off now. he costs less than rj, and while not as good, he could be on the staff for years to come. i hope the deal falls through, they save the few prospects they have, and make a deal for an ace when moose retires.

as for delgado, you bring up an interesting point. i say void the gambino's contract, and sign delgado for less than giambi would've been making. that's a win-win baby, especially since giambi will probably be putting up matt stairs-like numbers from here on out (though i hope he doesn't).

At 10:42 AM, Blogger TJ in OH said...

Screw you, Mellon. Now my fantasy baseball team needs to find a new #1. How is Shooty Babbitt supposed to repeat with no Unit anchoring the staff?!

You guys obviously watch too much American League baseball. Unit is still dominant. He's fiery and he brings it every damn night (on the telephone?). To even suggest that you don't like this deal is ridiculous. Ace said it best - this is how your team operates. So you lose a catcher and a corner prospect...big deal. It's the Yankees. When they actually need people at those positions, Big Stein will go out and outbid the rest of the teams in the league by double for the best players available at those positions. Don't even pretend otherwise. You guys outta be going down on RJ like a fockin' circus seal when he gets to NY. You keep treating people like you treat A-Rod, and before too long even Stein's deep pockets aren't going to make the elite free agents want to play for a fanbase that arbitrarily decides who's "Yankee material" and who isn't.

Okay, so I'm being argumentative with that last bit, but you get my point. Thank your lucky stars you got Johnson and sit back and wait for the Beltran windfall, you lucky bastards. My last real comment on the Johnson deal - true that Vasquez is going to be good. Really good. But think about the psychological effect the Unit deal has on the defending World Champion Boston Red Sox (I thought it would be fun to tout the Sox as defending champs on Ace's blog, and you know what? It was.). They have fallen behind in the arms race big-time now.

At 10:49 AM, Blogger TJ in OH said...

And let's talk about the REAL big story in sports this week: Frank Solich stirring the echoes in long-silent Peden Stadium as he returns Ohio University to the levels of Tangerine Bowl greatness they enjoyed in the '60s. It's days like these that make me proud to be an alumnus of Ohio's first and finest university.

At 10:52 AM, Blogger Ace Cowboy said...

Ethan, I don't hate the deal, as I think I said, but I just didn't like it right off the bat. Now that the deal is not certain, I like it more and wanna do it. I mean, Duncan is behind A-Rod, not like we're gonna use him any time soon...and Navarro, who the hell knows with catching prospects? As for Delgado, there is about a 0.5% chance we are voiding Giambino's contract, so we're gonna have to just sign someone to huge money or signb a stop-gap/defensive dude and hope JG comes back at 80% of his old self.

TJ you magnificant bastard: after your caustic comments, I hope your fantasy team loses RJ (and you had Pavano too, right?) and sucks all year. Shame on you. Anyway, bitterness aside, I fuckin' said RJ was still dominant, so eat my shorts (I watch the NL just as much as the AL, and even prefer it to AL ball, so relaaaaax with that). As I said, I'm on board with the way this team works, and I'll take RJ -- but I love Vazquez on Montreal and I really wanted him to succeed in can still happen, I want t give him another shot. And why the f can't we just release K-Brown? I hate this guy. I don't care if he wins a CY this year, Brown is a poopoohead.

And I'm not even gonna take the bait on the A-Rod thing, but good effort, old man.

At 11:04 AM, Blogger TJ in OH said...

Hey, it was worth a shot. Sometimes you dangle a line in the water and you catch a fish. Apparently today is not that day.

And yes, I had Pavano, too, going into his option year and I was about to sign him to a huge extension at a reasonable price. So now 2004's dominant rotation of Johnson, Pavano, Glavine, Hampton and Trachsel that lead in four of five picthing categories is reduced to my garbage bottom three. How do I fill those holes? Make a play for Hudson? Go after Vasquez? I'm screwed!

At 11:11 AM, Blogger Spanish Miguel said...

so, in just a couple of years los janquis will have what, just 1 (a shitty, smelly Jeter) homegrown player? That's great - even more to ridicule!

At 11:27 AM, Blogger Ace Cowboy said...

OK, that line I'll pick up -- Spanish, you're a fuckin' Mets fan dude, that's all I'm gonna say. You guys have Yankees money, but your team ALWAYS finds a way not to do the right thing. Enjoy that.

TJ, congrats on Solich, I think he's a pretty decent guy who got railroaded by shitty alumni...but he's having the last laugh, as Callahan sucks bullocks (and not Callahan from Police Academy, she had a serious rack). Go Bobcats!

As for your keeper league, I'd go hard after Javy if this trade goes through...he's gonna have a big-time resurgence in the NL, big time like Peter Gabriel.

At 11:50 AM, Blogger Jason Mulgrew said...

Can we talk about my team the Phils and the NL East?

Big acquisitions -

NY Mets: Pedro Martinez
Atlanta: Tim Hudson
Phillies: Kenny Lofton


At 1:20 PM, Blogger ethan said...

mulgrew - after the t.o. fiasco, all philly sports organizations forfeited the right to make a major free agent signing until 2015.

spanish mikey - just like the libertarians on gun control, this "homegrown" thing is my hot issue. the yanks have as many homegrown starters (jeter, posada, bernie, rivera) as the two WS teams combined (boston: nixon, arroyo; cards: pujols, morris), yet people always scream bloody murder when the yanks sign/trade for someone. and just for the record those miracle mets have how many homegrown starters?

(wright, reyes, seo, phillips; that last one is a rather generous "starter" too)

At 1:27 PM, Blogger Ace Cowboy said...

Thanks for taking care of that, Ethan, I couldn't agree more on both accounts.

J, If the Phils were smart, they'd do nothing. Last year's team was pretty good, but I'm convinced they just sucked because of Bowa...put a new manager in there and get the fuck out of the way. Phils win the East this year, no doubt about it.

Met fans crack me up to no end...

At 1:58 PM, Blogger ethan said...

glad to help ace. but i'm not sold on the phils taking the east. take a look at the rotations:


phils (no particular order - no real #1):

since a FA is out of the question for philly, maybe they should shop burrell and some prospects for an arm...

At 2:34 PM, Blogger Spanish Miguel said...

Homegrown, en espanol, is loosely translated to mean any player who was EITHER brought up in his current organization OR toiled in obscurity but made his career with their current team (e.g./i.e. papi ortiz).

My beloved Mets have plenty of these guys:

Met Bullpen - Yates, Parra, Fortunato (stop laughing, though)
Met Starters - heilman, seo (seriously, shut up)
Met players - phillips, Wright, Reyes. Piazza's a HOF Met. Matsui's a Met. If we don't sign Beltran/Alou, Victor Diaz will be starting in the OF. And despite last year's deadline fiasco, we still have a minimum of 2 TOP-rated prospects (Y. Petit and L. Milledge). Yanks have nada.

And for the record, i don't like it when my team tries to win by bringing in players who have been stars elsewhere (Pedro). Fans don't support them thru slumps. It's why all u crank yankers hate Arod and Giambi - 'cause they ain't really Yanks.

At 2:39 PM, Blogger Ace Cowboy said...

Sorry, Mikeyboy, you're a great kid and all, but you just lost me on this argument...You'd consider David Ortiz a homegrown member of the Sawx? This game's over.

And why do you keep saying the Yankees have none? What happened to Bernie, Jetes, Mo and Jorge? They don't count, why?

I think the Phils win it because everyone's gonna get back on the ATL bandwagon this year and they're gonna blow it. Phillies look good to me. Thome is a monster, and I've always been an Abreu fan. I've picked Abreu to win the last four NL MVPs I think. One of these days, he's gonna make me look smart.

At 2:51 PM, Blogger Spanish Miguel said...

ace, i said the yanks will have only one (jeter) in a few years (though Mo could still be around). That said, the Yanks have no good minor league talent, haven't had any decent prospect since Nick Johnson (Brad Cerebral Halsey notwithstanding) and have no spot in their lineup for any current minor leauge yanks to even dream about occupying one day.

And dude, how can u see David Ortiz as anything but a Red Sock (sox?). I mean, the guys will be there mashing for years (he's still cheap) and was by far the largest (physically) reason for their breaking the 86 year old curse.

At 2:56 PM, Blogger Ace Cowboy said...

You're just not arguing the right point, dude. You're calling Ortiz HOMEGROWN TALENT! Sure, he's a masher, and sure he was a huge part of that team, but he's an import, he was a free agent signing. I consider Pauly O and Tino to be Yankees For Life, but even they're not homegrown ballplayers...

C'mon, Mikey, you're better than that.

At 2:57 PM, Blogger Spanish Miguel said...

seriously, ace, you don't view Pedro as a member of Sawx? or Piazza as a Met? Or Giambi as an A(thletic)? Or Sosa as a cub?

At 2:57 PM, Blogger Spanish Miguel said...

seriously, ace, you don't view Pedro as a member of Sawx? or Piazza as a Met? Or Giambi as an A(thletic)? Or Sosa as a cub?

At 2:57 PM, Blogger Spanish Miguel said...

seriously, ace, you don't view Pedro as a member of Sawx? or Piazza as a Met? Or Giambi as an A(thletic)? Or Sosa as a cub?

At 3:01 PM, Blogger Ace Cowboy said...

As I JUST said in the above post: "I consider Pauly O and Tino to be Yankees For Life, but even they're not homegrown ballplayers..."

Ortiz could get hit by a bus tomorrow and never play again, he could sleep with Theo at the Xmas party and have a falling out, anything could happen -- let's wait a minute before we give this guy a whole long productive career with the Sawx.

So in your argument, what about A-Rod -- what if he spends the next 10 years with the Yanks? What if Giambi does too? Aren't they then considered homegrown talent under your definition?

At 3:11 PM, Blogger ethan said...

that met argument has more holes than, um, something with a lot of friggin holes in it. piazza? you're counting mike fucking piazza as homegrown? if you think he spent those years in LA "toiling in obscurity", i drop my appeal.

matsui's homegrown, eh? well then i guess godzilla to the yanks total (5). if we're going to count imports, don't forget about el duque (6). does loaiza count? we did trade homegrown contreras for him...

next, i don't count guys who throw a couple of bullpen sessions in spring training then made some emergency appearances. if i did, we could rack a whole bunch of yanks up there, since they had roughly 37 guys in their rotation last year (brad hasley, alex graman, sam marsonek) (7,8,9).

i don't mean to sound argumentative (i did say it was my "hot" issue), but i stick by my story. yanks 4, mets 4.

At 12:21 PM, Anonymous Mel Critz said...

OMG! Thank you for this.


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