Monday, November 14, 2005

Latino Heat Extinguished

Sadly, long-time professional wrestler and prominent member of the Guerrero fighting family, Eddie Guerrero, died yesterday in Minneapolis. He, not surprisingly, failed to reach his 40th birthday.

I love the guy, but I'll always wonder how wrestling executives like Vince McMahon sleep at night, implicitly allowing and sometimes outright encouraging their employees to shave years off their lives for the job. Since 1998, more than 60 professional wrestlers have died before hitting 45 years old...screw real sports, where's Congress with the oversight on this shit?

I've said it before and I'll say it again -- the type of steroids may be different, and the training regimens may be different, but a major baseball or football player is going down in the next few years. Let's hope for my premonition's sake, it's not Bonds.

16 Comments:

At 12:19 PM, Anonymous Chefra said...

What about Ken Caminiti? He was the MVP in '96 and his death barely made the sports page. That shit should have opened some eyes, but didn't. I guess it will take the death of a Bonds-level superstar to pry baseball's head out of it's ass.

 
At 12:44 PM, Blogger Ace Cowboy said...

Caminiti, though, basically gave handjobs for crack -- he was one messed up sonuvabitch. I'm not judging him for that, but I'm just pointing out that his death was not all about roids. His death was more synonymous with anyone out there who lives fast and dies young.

 
At 12:47 PM, Blogger MDS said...

"I'll always wonder how wrestling executives like Vince McMahon sleep at night, implicitly allowing and sometimes outright encouraging their employees to shave years off their lives for the job."

Could you please explain this a little more? How is it Vince McMahon's fault that some of his employees choose to engage in reckless behavior? Whose fault is it that some of the most popular musicians and actors use drugs?

 
At 1:18 PM, Blogger ethan said...

yeah i agree with mds. believing that mcmahon is to blame is akin to believing that hobo you wrote about a few weeks ago "forced" those colleg tennis players to hang out and get high.

even though/if he has advocated it (i think he uses himself too), i guarantee there was no one tying these wrestlers down like in club wundersex, hoping they couldn't pronounce the safe word. roids have been a known danger for well over 10 years now - they've had plenty of time to realize the risks.

 
At 1:33 PM, Blogger Ace Cowboy said...

What about this sentence...

"I love the guy, but I'll always wonder how wrestling executives like Vince McMahon sleep at night, implicitly allowing and sometimes outright encouraging their employees to shave years off their lives for the job."

...makes you believe I place all the blame on Vinny Mac. Relax. All I said was that I wondered how executives of all federations, including Vinny Mac, sleep at night. That's all. Consider this: if you owned a roofing company, and you either told or allowed your employees to wear special shoes to get the job done faster and better, and all of a sudden guys started dropping off rooves and dying left and right, wouldn't you have a little trouble sleeping at night? I sure fuckin would. Not saying that analogy is hole-proof, but it's apt.

I'm not saying they should commit harikari, nor are they totally to blame. But you give these Vinny Mac types a 100% free pass? Isn't it their responsiblity as employers to make sure their employees are acting at least somewhat responsibly? I think so, maybe not legally, but at least morally.

Make no mistake, these wrestlers on dying on someone's watch, not just their own. I'm ALL for freedom and taking personal responsiblity, but to say nobody but themselves is to blame is foolish. The wrestlers are killing themselves, but they're being enabled and aided.

The Vinny Macs are the Kevorkians, just at the beginning of the death cycle, not the end.

 
At 2:23 PM, Blogger ethan said...

holy shit ace. replace "steroids" with "alcohol" (or even "cigarettes") in your statements and you'd be advocating prohibition.

and i'm not going anywhere near the "I'm ALL for freedom and taking personal responsiblity, but to say nobody but themselves is to blame is foolish." statement.

 
At 2:36 PM, Blogger Ace Cowboy said...

Ehtan, a case could be made that I don't even kinow what I'm saying at this point.

On the other hand, you're overreacting to my analogy. See, I'm talking about a profession that encourages (either implicitly or explicitly) bad behavior in order to get ahead.

But to go with what you're saying, let's say you had a job that required you to stay up all night, maybe the graveyard shift in a tollbooth even. And along the way, it was made clear to you by fellow employees (and maybe the bosses) that the best way to advance at your job and do your job best was to take these ephedra capsules and other speed-related pills. If all of a sudden tollbooth workers started collapsing left and right, dying prematurely because of the risks they took, it's surely on their own head. They could have gotten other jobs, etc.

BUT, are you saying you as the boss and the agenda-setter you wouldn't feel any remorse? You'd probably feel bad if it happened once, maybe a few times. But if a whole generation of your employees started dying, wouldn't that weigh on your conscience? I'm saying I would have trouble sleeping at night.

And let's leave it at that.

 
At 3:02 PM, Blogger Matty Mac said...

LOUD NOISES!!

 
At 3:10 PM, Blogger ethan said...

first, the alcohol/cigarette industries have been accused zillions of times as "encouraging bad behavior" to get ahead. so i don't think the comparison of prohibition to the blame of mcmahon is unfair at all.

next, with statements about "enabling and aiding" and references to kevorkian, i got the impression that you were more than just wondering how he could sleep at night. it seemed like you were advocating some sort of judgement, be it criminal or moral or whatever. and i just think moral imposition can be a slippery, inconsistent slope (which is why i brought up booze and smokes).

lastly, while i personally would feel bad about it (and thus would've done things a lot differently), that just doesn't seem relevant in the assignment of blame or responsibility.

 
At 3:11 PM, Blogger ethan said...

matty, are you just looking at things around the room and saying you love them?

 
At 3:15 PM, Blogger offpeak34 said...

i don't know the situation all that well, but didn't mcmahon acquire and supply steroids to wrestlers at some point? wasn't he investigated and charged? i could be making this part of it up, but it's well known that mcmahon supplied and strongly encouraged steroid use. now i know the choice ultimately comes down to the individual, but he was more involved in steroid use than bud selig ever was. it's one thing to turn a blind eye to it, and another to enable and encourage it.

 
At 3:16 PM, Blogger Matty Mac said...

Yes, yes I am. I love lamp.

 
At 3:25 PM, Blogger Ace Cowboy said...

Offpeak, you're right, although I'm pretty sure he reformed his act a bit. Now look, none of us knows whether he still does it under the table or not, but you're absolutely correct.

Ethan, my friend, let's take this -- "lastly, while i personally would feel bad about it (and thus would've done things a lot differently), that just doesn't seem relevant in the assignment of blame or responsibility."

Can we all agree that you and MDS are the ones who said I assigned blame here?! I never once in that post said Vinny Mac is to blame. All I said was I'd have a tough time with that on my conscience if I were him. You guys and your Personal Responsibility Tour Bus put those words in my mouth. And I should punch you in the ovary for doing so. Straight shot, right to the babymaker.

 
At 3:42 PM, Blogger ethan said...

this horse is just about dead, but while you're right that you didn't mention blame in the post (mds cried "fault" and i ran with it), you clearly did afterward:

"Make no mistake, these wrestlers on dying on someone's watch, not just their own. I'm ALL for freedom and taking personal responsiblity, but to say nobody but themselves is to blame is foolish. The wrestlers are killing themselves, but they're being enabled and aided."

...

ok. that's it. i'll take the quasi-deserved shot to the babymaker (though ace, you have to admit, jazz flute is for pussies), re-board the PRT bus and head back to new hampshire. gosh. i'll do what i want.

 
At 8:18 PM, Blogger MDS said...

Wow, I make a comment, go off to work all day, and come back to find I stirred up quite a controversy. I think it's all over now, but I would like to point out that all the sentences in my previous post ended in question marks. I wasn't necessarily saying Ace was wrong, I was just asking him to explain because I didn't fully understand his point. Perhaps we can meet back here for further discussion when the autopsy results are in.

 
At 10:59 PM, Blogger ahren said...

go get 'em #18!!!! i feel like some sort of super-proud libertarian father or some shit. hs the torch been passed?

i love drugs.

 

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